I was actually thinking something more like GitHub, allowing more
control and discussion over proposed edits before they are accepted.
That incorporates enough tooling to make publication as a simple website
derived from core data easy as a result. Also free to use. Other people
could then pull copies for their own work as needed under a permissive
Clearly someone would have pay before the data is released, however,
given the white paper business model there. While very interesting in
and of itself, from a practical viewpoint having to hand a much more
detailed logbook of the history of life span experiments simply isn’t
all that important from the SENS perspective of what needs to be done,
which is why I haven’t handed over the cash for a look.
To me, a person who gives away valuable arrangements of data for free
constantly, as that is the nature of the software community, it seems
that the only way a collection of data like this can achieve its
potential to be useful and of quality is to be open and amenable to the
scrutiny and use of many. Locked away it withers. There is no real
future in any business involving selling arrangements of data, I think,
given that the very act implies engineering artificial restrictions on
access to data in a world in which the cost of transmission and
replication is falling to zero everywhere. The real long-term economics
of the thing lie in selling services related to open arrangements of
data. There is a considerable amount of value in that sense locked up in
Kingsley’s mind that cannot be liberated into the market unless the data
is out there. Of course, if you can run a ransom model for the data’s
initial release as well, more power to you, but that has to be balanced
against the potential revenue in services you forgo by keeping the data
hostage a period of time past its initial creation.
Anyway, that is the future. The world hasn’t yet caught up to what is,
and it is still perfectly respectable nowadays to be in the traditional
white paper business, or use contract law to bind customers to secrecy
regarding the arrangements of data you pass them, and so forth.
On 03/15/2015 08:05 PM, Josh Mitteldorf wrote:
> Dear Reason –
> You and I and several people we know would be in a good position to
> start such a project. I’d ask Spindler’s help launching it, and possibly
> Finch would help. I’m with you on the idea of a wiki format.
> – Josh
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Reason wrote:
>> I look forward to the day when he decides to publish the list as an
>> open, maintained project with pull requests, so that it can be validated,
>> improved, and more widely used as a resource – e.g. it would make a good
>> addition to the public databases at senescence.info – but this doesn’t
>> seem terribly likely to happen based on past remarks.
>> On 03/15/2015 05:52 AM, V Ts wrote:
>> Hello, Kingsley
>> Is your spreadsheet of lifespan experiments publicly available?
>> Kind regards,
>> 2015-03-15 2:20 GMT+03:00 Kingsley G. Morse Jr. :
>> I’ve been following the interest in
>> dasatinib and quercetin.
>> Maybe you remember I maintain the world’s biggest
>> spread sheet of lifespan experiments.
>> It’s easy for me to look up lifespan studies.
>> Unfortunately, I’m aware of none on dasatinib, and
>> only two of quercetin in mammals.
>> They were mice of the LACA strain.
>> They were evidently given 10 mg/day of quercetin, and
>> died about 10% sooner.
>> I hope that helps,